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Psychology Professor Dr. Jordan B. Peterson gives practical advice for fighting depression.
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I really want to try antidepressants, I've dealt with extreme depression since I was a kid, but unfortunately i have a bipolar diagnosis, so no psychiatrist will permit me to try antidepressants. Even though my type of depression is more severe than average depression, even though i experience it roughly 75% of the time, the potential risk of SSRI triggered mania makes psychiatrists nervous, so I'm not given the option. If you have a depression diagnosis, consider yourself lucky that you have access to antidepressants.
I’m moving home at almost 40 and my life is definitely not the American Independent dream I had a fantasy of In my head. I don’t have a job since my last depressive episode; I thought my depression would not return, but it did and blew 5 years of moving up in a company . At home I’ll have an opportunity to save up money and get on thyroid medication, and hopefully kick well America’s opiate for the masses besides religion; alcohol use. I do believe it is possible to get out of my hole incrementally as the good doctor says, but it’s going to have to be a step by step daily effort. In my youth I would have a crippling depression and then just lose a job and go to another company, so that’s my weak and unstable spot. I don’t have any friends anymore almost enjoying the isolation and sleeping in the dark, but it is time to re-emerge for the final time even if I need medication and light therapy to cope. I’ll just have to be very disciplined to survive and prosper.
what an idiot. who says depression is only for the jobless, the addicts, or the friendless. ive been employed and unemployed, had lots of friends, had less friends, had a guy, had no guy and the depression, if chemical, is lasting. its easy for him to give his advice as he makes bank and leads his life but someone in the hell of the disease would run from him and his advice and feel more lonely than ever. i wouldnt see him as my therapist for anything in the world. and he believes in god which makes him at least partially retarded.
If you are feeling depressed the first part is likely to make you more so.Whilst I like his other videos I don't think this is helpful. It also explains why HE has depression. It's because he speaks in a demanding way. Failing to see the chicken and egg of the situation with regard the 3 pillars he talks about.
It’s frustrating to see people say “my depression” or “my anxiety” is stopping me from doing this and that. It’s not “your” depression, it’s just you. You are stopping yourself from doing things, blaming your mental state isn’t going to help you get anywhere. It seems that everyone wants to believe that they’re condition is somehow unique and different when it’s not. Depression isn’t something you “catch”, it’s a mental state that progressively gets worse over time if unattended to. At the end of day, it’s up to you alone to make yourself happier.
I'm depressed BECAUSE of people and what those people did to me and how people just ARE; they lie, cheat and no one can be trusted. That's the reason i don't have a 'meaningful' relationship anymore, i have no purpose in my life anymore and life is pointless.. Realistic or not.. ?
Summary: "Stop being depressed. If I (who am not suffering from depression) can do it, then why not you? Oh, and get a job while you're at it. And make some friends." Always better to be the one giving advice...
Good talk. But can I add one thing? Bipolar (manic-depressive) people are not prescribed anti-depressive meds by many doctors because the anti-depressive can cause people's moods to go through the roof if they swing to a manic state.
Depression can be as bad as it gets. But regardless of how bad your situation is, it's truly up to you to play the role of the victim until it tires you out, or instead just to suck it up for now and keep going.
If you have no job + no relationships + no friends + addiction problem or health issues - please don't give up. I had severe ptsd and schizoaffective disorder (its like schizophrenia + bipolar so lots of depression), no relationships, the friends I had were alcoholics who didn't even really care about me, I had alcohol and drug addiction and other health issues too. Now the schizoaffective disorder is in remission, I don't think I have ptsd anymore, I'm 7 months sober, I have lots of good friends and I just got an internship as a software developer, and the other health issues are under control. For me the things that really helped were acceptance and commitment therapy and going to a 12-step fellowship. In any case - never give up! If I can do it you can do it, just find the things that work for you!
It's unfortunate that the alt right has embraced Peterson so much, causing the extreme libs to automatically reject him. I don't agree with everything Peterson has said over the years but he has a lot of terrific material that would benefit many of us. Overall I like listening to him and I would say just watching his lectures has helped me in some small way.
The tagline in this video is probably what draws most people in but the video is far more valuable than just discussing depression. The real gold is Jordan pointing out that you need to take ownership of your life. From the wise words of Trooper's song Raise a Little Hell; "if you don't like what you got, why don't you change it? If your world is all screwed up, rearrange it".
The hazards of having a intimate relationship while depressed is a stark reality for many. Problem noted. We also have this assumption that a relationship w someone is complete life inclusion or the pursuit of it. A honest intimate relationship can exhist at many levels and variations of expression. It can be honest occasional "booty call" to to casual dating. You don't have to have a complex emotionally risky relationships with a bunch of life-blending to have a meaningful and honest sexually intimate relationship. We need people in our life that are just friends that range from basic to deep friends; that is important. We also may need honest sexual relationship(s) that are just that...and be clear, brave and open about that fact. If you are not in a position to have a deep friendship that is a life-blend w you which is also sexual then considering the option that all those things don't have to be required to be experienced all together by one person is a good thing to consider. It may be why relationships in the past didn't work out in the first place. Get good at managing the separate parts before you put them in the same basket. We abuse and break our relationships with people in the same way we abuse tools...we use them for something they are not or we use them too much without proper and regular maintenance and care for them....the tools and the people.
Be aware, what Jordan say is important, but do not be so perfecionist, i have OCD and all i want is don't take everything so seriusly. Hermann Hesse is much more inteligent than Jorndan and in the book Steppenwolf said: " my problem is that i always was a good boy, i took me so seriusly always".
Guys I guess I need some help. So when I was really young I thought I had some kind of asthma, constantly making me think I would die. I went to many doctors and none of them found anything. I was so scared of dying I developed a depression at the age of 14( diagnosed by a psychiatrist after I couldn't stop crying for weeks). I somehow overcame it when I noticed all I need was to talk open about how I feel, and I always wanted my mother to know that I still had the "breathing issues" despite nooene could diagnose anything. It made me feel comfortable. Now I am 22 and out of nowhere a huge pile of fear and sadness is overcoming me. It almost hurts physically. My life is in quiet ok structure, I am a bachelor's student without financial problems, I receive Top grades only, I have a beautiful girlfriend.after I caught a cold my mood dropped srsly. And since I had a depression so early I am always scared of dropping back into the black hole. So I basically panic and talk myself into it. I basically think about thoughts I don't want to have, which then makes me think I'm schizophrenic. I think a lot. What basically happens when I Google and read sth bad I instantly think I have that mental disorder. I also just thought about killing myself, not seriously at all! But I was scared as fuck of the thought and now I can't get it out of my head. I'm sitting here crying, feeling physical pain from my emotions. I am scared of telling my family because my mom suffers from depression herself. Any advice?
Overthinking is also my problem hehe especially negative thinking 😭 First, you are NOT ALONE ! There's plenty of people struggling with all kind of fears.... Second you need to discipline your mind it's a powerful thing if mastered, if not it's the one controlling you.. Like you I had a huge fear of death, I used to have severe insomnia bc I would think that I won't wake up the next morning 😓 now I don't entertain those thoughts and can sleep peacefuly (not always the case but praise God i'm not where I used to be) I recently discovered behind my fear of death it's actually fear of BEING ALONE / ABANDONNED i'm working on that it's not easy but being aware is a huge step into the healing process ! You know all my life i've been living under constant stress and fear !!! Your fears are actually not yours !!! My parents neglected me ( emotionally) = same feeling as being abandonned, no feeling of love, care,nurture, SAFETY at home 😢 i'm left here with all kind of mental problems but decided that i'm no longer letting myself down and finally CARE about my inner child 😊 best of luck to you !! If you are christian interested in rewiring your brain let me know ❤❤❤
never heard of something from peterson that i disagreed more than this piece of bull manure.
I am one of those who doesn't have a job, or real friends or a relationship. And no I'm not a loser, incel who hates himself and the world like we often times are labeled. I lost my job because of the economic situation my country's going through, I lost my friends because of an addiction that nearly cost my life and that I have since left behind through HARD WORK but havent been able to mend those friendships and I have issues with relationships because I have an anxiety disorder that's very severe and makes it very hard for me to build a romantic relationship.
Being told by a ''professional'' that i'm basically beyond repair is not only inaccurate but plain evil and lazy. He doesnt care to make the differentiation between those who dont care to socialize and get a job and those who find themselves in that situation because of things that were out of their hands. Was it really that hard to make that point? Or are we all just the same worthless, unrepairable pieces of shit?
I don't know , this was really disappointing shit to hear specially coming from peterson.
What is depression? Depression is your spirit reacting to your choices. You need to find the choices that don't produce a depression of your spirit. The world is a depressing place for people. The choices available are depressing choices. You'll get depressed just reviewing your choices. So depression is boredom. If you aren't bored you aren't depressed. You need to find things which don't bore you. You need to see time structured in front of you that isn't boring. You need to network with other like minded people and you can share intimate emotional treasures of filling your time with emotionally fulfilling time. This means you must be free to control your time. Free from control by others who would seek to control your time.
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Disagree. If you´re depressed it´s hard to find a job even with a degree (my case). Besides, where I live right now, the unemployment rate is very high between young and highly qualified people. It´s depressing to not be able to work in something you´ve been studying for. Working in something that is not "yours" is also depressing. One of the main reasons of your depression could be not finding a job.
You loose "friends" when their social status gets higher and you´re in shit up to the neck. Meeting people while you´re depressed only scares them, and you just fail to make friends, nobody wants to hang out with someone who has problems, that doesn´t fit with the "instagram/selfie poser way of life". So they start to avoid you, or even you can start to avoid them, because you´re ashamed of your situation and you isolate yourself.
Not to mention about dating someone. You´re seen as a looser, and women like to make you know it (I guess the other way around must br the same), so a "relationship" will just make you go backwards many steps, and make your depression even worse. Being depressed, people usually "choose" wrong people to date. You´re unstable, you´re not selfconfident, how the fuck will you build a relationship in those conditions?
I´ve done what JP suggests here, and I haven´t seen this video before. But this is easier said than done. I would avoid to date someone, at least at the begining.
You can of course disagree with any statement or method or view that doesn't confirm your EXACT experience, but it doesn't make all the other depressed people for different reasons any less valid than you. What is it with you people "THIS didnt work for ME, so i disagree, and this is bullshit. The real truth is MY way". And yeah, It's hard to find your dream job maybe, but there's always basic jobs requiring no strength or intelligence. Also, what is harder for you, a job or suffering the misery of depression and emptiness 24/7 ? It's true is hard to find a job when depression, that's why depression is hard. It makes things that would help - harder so you avoid doing them and thus worsening your state. It's not EASY, but it is simple.
Once again...words of great wisdom by Jordan.
What I do think I wish he included was that when everything you do matters.....it comes with great consequences also. Now you can't walk by the homeless or forget a stray animal or not visit hospitals to encourage the sick, pray continually for everything, feel you constantly let everyone down because you could do more, and on it goes.
We live in a different world than we'd like because most people refuse to see the plight of others or the massive suffering in the world so they condition themselves simply to not care about anything except a child or someone dear to them. Others; well that's their problem right?
Yes, going good comes with a price also but I think it's worth it non the less. Maybe we'll get to hear the words..."Well done my good and faithful servant", in the end.
"if you have 3 of those problems, it's almost impossible to help you"
Don't be disheartened by this statement. When he says this he's saying there is almost no way you will get better unless you address atleast one of these problems. A lonely jobless alcoholic isn't going to fix their depression, so fix your situation first.
Mr. Peterson is a smart man but doesn't understand the lethality of long term anti depressant use. In the short term they work well but try getting off of them after 10,20 or 30 yrs and your brain self destructs.
antidepressants create addiction
would give orthomolecular substances a try
5HTP, vit. B (all of them being teamplayers), magnesiumthreonat
have a look at aminoacidtherapy ( so that your body can produce enough neurotransmitters)
do sports! despite how terrible you feel, you feel better after having done something for your body (dopa-increase)
Idk what the end goal of mental stability is . but i dont see it like mr Peterson. I think if you cant be happy without a job/friends and relationship, you cant be with it either... I honestly think, by getting the skill of not comparing to others and determin what matters for yourself is what saves your mindset. If your mindset is right, your mental state will be right too... It's just a matter of how much effort are you willing to give and keep on giving...
the trick to finding friends is to be yourself. People in this predicament don't like themselves. you've got to break down this goal of finding friends. You, as a therapist is more than saying go to this place your friends are waithing there. The "X marks the spot" idea isn't how making friends works. I went to support groups but the only thing I found there is people being sad and focusing on his or her problems. What about playing games? focus on the fun things in life. Have standing exercises. I don't know. I felt down after going there.
im so depressed that i constantly find myself telling n feeling im useless im worthless i dont deserve to be alive i should just let go n hurt myself. My sleepin pattern is so messed up that i find myself awake at 6am still only going to sleep at 7am which i dont get enough sleep in n take more afternoon naps
Are you going through something dear ? Please don't give power to those suicidal thoughts ! You are NOT a bad person who deserve nothing good in life. THAT'S A LIE, A BIG FAT GIANT LIE !!! YOU MATTER DEAR ❤ Please tell yourself you matter, your life matter, your feelings, your pain matter ❤❤ You shall get through this !
I agree with everything you've said here, and feel so lucky, to have had a steady counselor who has slowly helped me realize the things you have stated here, and who has helped me over time structure my life in ways that help nourish me. I have battled major depression my entire life. SSRI's worked...for awhile. Tried SNRI's, they work very well for me. But sometimes it's still really difficult, and lately, I've been feeling very numb. I really needed this video with these reminders and in the way you stated them. Definitely trying to remember "Everything Matters", I really need to feel more meaningful in my life and I think this is what I'm missing right now. Thank you!
I have struggled with PTSD from when I was a child. It had to do with a horror movie that my parents were watching. I can remember very vivid things that come back. At first it bothered me for a few weeks then it stopped now I am in my twenties and it comes back every now and then. And literally anything can trigger it. I end up losing interest in various things such as playing video games with my friends. One thing that I would say is don't keep it bottled up. That doesn't help.
Wow, and this guy is supposed to be a psychologist (facepalm) dumbass preaching platitudes!
Regular exercise, healthy food, getting all the vitamins in, getting rid of toxic people and activities from your life (such as quitting a job u hate and getting one you love, and getting rid of frenemies) spending a few hours in nature every day, introspecting to find out what is really important to you and pursuing it, manual labour...
All of these things are much more effective than the powertripping drivel he's shouting about
Great talk good to listen to.I am retired now for over ten years.I find the winter the most difficult time.The darkness cold and the damp doesn't help.This is in the U.K.Twive a week I look after grandchildren and visit one of my children who suffers from a severe mental illness.In the summer I am always busy every day.Be it gardening cleaning my car and looking after our house.My wife is disabled and we have been married for more than fifty years.The time I can remember when I was in my early twenties and I suffered a depression.Like the Professor says depression comes in many forms.I didn't see any light and couldn't swallow food properly.I was homesick to my country of birth and all this came together.I got out the depression by myself which lasted for over a month.The reason I got out of it was that I went back to my home country .my wife and two sons stopped with her family untill they could come and join me.It never got that far I returned because I missed my family which was my purpose in life to take care off.In life you have to make a effort every day.I like a certain order and discipline if this is out of sync I feel uncomfortable.Just a small story out my life we all have different once to tell..
The amount of depressed people is what scares me. Its an issue with the social construct in our world.
I think, working together as a group instead of working as individuals is the key. Individualism is imo the end of humans.
We only survive threats working together, not alone like a Tiger.
i was shunned. who is meant to reach up from their web of lies and hire me? what friends? i was shunned professionally and socially due to the fuckery that took place behind my back beyond my control. they ruined me. im rooooooooned. rooooned. don't we know that.
Antidepressants help in the short term... but you pay for it later when you try to get off them... because they don't cure the underlying cause of the depression, they only turn down the volume when your body is trying to tell you something... so then not only you end up with a worse depression but also have to deal with the secondary side effects (which ALL of them have) and the withdrawal symptoms when you try to get off them... which are often worse than your depression to begin with. Nobody has gotten better in the long run from antidepressants... only get worse.
Terrible advice to be honest...
Jordan Peterson claims to be an expert on psychology, but if he actually understands psychology, he sure doesn't apply much of it. He supports capitalism, and speaks against socialism (which by definition, means democratising the economy, sharing out wealth & power, increasing equality and human rights for everyone). Capitalism and the inequality and poverty and dog-eat-dog culture it produces all cause an INCREASE in psychological ill health & unhappiness, and this harm affects us all. It even affects Jordan Peterson himself. Even if he was self-interested, he would not support capitalism, and would instead support socialism. Some evidence:
Just a thought: rich people also kill themselves. Being in a state of constant suffering is not only for the jobless, or the lonely. I’m always asking this: what do I really want from life? What job? What body? What kind of relationships? Life is one big question waiting for you to give the answer. And please, dont tell me you dont know the answer, because you do. AT LEAST you know what you DONT WANT. So start from there. Quit your job, find another, even if it is working at a coffe shop. Stop caring so much about money and status and start caring about peace of mind and some adventure. As you move, the relationships will show up. So don’t be an antisocial freak who pushes people away. People are not perfect and neither is you.
@ Solution is... adopt a nice Dog.
Circadian Rhythms ? --> hungry dog wake you up, Early morning.
Job ? --> the dog orders you, "Tiem to walk, humane".
Friend ? --> the dog become your friend.
Meanings of the life ? --> is to feed the dog.
Clean the room ? --> so that he can scatter things again.
I have taken many different antidepressants and not one of them had helped. I've taken medicines that aren't normally associated with depression therapy. I don't know how to function socially. I don't know how to connect with others. I don't understand nor like social games that everyone seems to play. I don't understand why honesty and being genuine is a weakness. I live with and have always lived with a narcissist. I'm 36 years old and I'm so tired. I don't have anything left to give.
So. Someone who has a job ,an intimate relashionship and friends is nt going te get depression. Humm not convinced. What if someone has got a job, an intimate relashionship and friends and is still depressed you have to tell him you know you are depressed because you have a job ,an intimate relashionship and friends, get rid of them the depression will desapear hummm !!! .Depression is way more complexe than that, how many antidepressants, therapies,....do exist and the outcome is still the same more and more depression...its time to look for something else To treat it. DEPRESSION IS AWFULL
I prefer this era of down to earth Peterson when he was dealing with the nitty gritty of fixing one person at a time which is as he says in his own words, the proper way to improve society. Though I love that he became such an icon, I think he went from fixing the individual to 'fixing the world' and it got a bit progressive rock concept album from there i.e maybe a bit over-ambitious
Antidepressants are medications that can help relieve symptoms of depression, social anxiety disorder, anxiety disorders, seasonal affective disorder, and dysthymia, or mild chronic depression, as well as other conditions.
They aim to correct chemical imbalances of neurotransmitters in the brain that are believed to be responsible for changes in mood and behavior.
Depression Medications (Antidepressants)
These are the most commonly prescribed type of antidepressant.
Serotonin and noradrenaline reuptake inhibitors (SNRIs) are used to treat major depression, mood disorders, and possibly but less commonly attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD), anxiety disorders, menopausal symptoms, fibromyalgia, and chronic neuropathic pain.
SNRIs raise levels of serotonin and norepinephrine, two neurotransmitters in the brain that play a key role in stabilizing mood.
Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) are the most commonly prescribed antidepressants. They are effective in treating depression, and they have fewer side effects than the other antidepressants.
SSRIs block the reuptake, or absorption, of serotonin in the brain. This makes it easier for the brain cells to receive and send messages, resulting in better and more stable moods.
They are called "selective" because they mainly seem to affect serotonin, and not the other neurotransmitters.