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Michelle Davis (9 часов назад)
I enjoyed the video, but for future reference maybe don't include shots like the one right before hannah commits suicide. I know you cut it off before anything happened and I agree that the fact the show had it on screen was gross, but just seeing her in the bathtub knowing the context could be triggering for some people (as much as I dislike the overuse of that word.) Again, no hate. Just something to consider.
Hannah Zero (11 часов назад)
uh, excuse you, alex is not misrepresenting anything.
Mrs. LuvsCuddles (1 день назад)
I had to like for that Sky does Minecraft joke, I love that stuff when I was 11
Kat M (2 дня назад)
skye does minecraft
Roxanna Liban (2 дня назад)
Nssi is not strictly an attention seeking behavior. Please don't misrepresent it.
Sushrey Srivastava (2 дня назад)
Your information is very losely bound, one loses track of whats going on. I too hate that show.
Scruffy656 (3 дня назад)
Bipolar is more prolonged than what 13RW presents it as, meaning the person suffering from Bipolar won't randomly click between depressive and manic episodes within minutes. Episodes can last a month or more, making it such a difficult mental illness to diagnose because of this spread transition. There is also a hyper-manic episode in some cases where an individual has higher destructive levels of energy and has a further increased sex drive. 13RW makes me question whether or not they researched their mental illnesses in depth.
Tenacious Fractacious (3 дня назад)
Why is PNS never abbreviated? *wayment*
James bruh (3 дня назад)
tbh the reason they did the cutting method was more for the ~esthetic~ than anything
Argue Bot (3 дня назад)
You're telling me Selena Gomez and by extension the rest of Hollywood have hardly a surface level understanding of mental health issues, and produced the show in such a way as to maximize viewership and therefore profit at the expense of accurately portraying the hardship mental health issues impose on victims? Never saw that coming.
MooseGoose (4 дня назад)
I have pretty severe mental health issues, and I remember being appalled when I read it. I was in high school at the time, and I even have a signed copy.
Communist Cabbage (4 дня назад)
Your understanding of Schizophrenia is not entirely the whole truth and your audience needs to know this. There are Positive and Negative symptoms of Schizophrenia, positives are the ones you named but are also can be delusions and behavior problem while negative is the lessen or loss of a function such as Apathy. You miss represent conditioning there is Classical and Operant the one you used is the latter while classical is developing a relationship of an item with a response eg a pet know it gets food when they hear a door open
Spencer West (4 дня назад)
I mean I can’t say it’s a good show but I did enjoy it. I like it but I wouldn’t recommend it.
Phenian Oliver (4 дня назад)
I personally really liked the show Maniac. It's not completely accurate, but its portrayal of addiction was in multiple ways heartbreaking and reminded me strongly of my own experiences having been addicted to heroin most of my adulthood. I've only recently quit within the last year and its been hard to finding people and media that actually confront the terrible things addiction can make you and those around you think, say, and do.
Andy See (5 дней назад)
I'm not even halfway through, and I noticed 2000s commercial references to The Money You could be saving with Geico and Holiday Inn Express. How many more of those have you got?
Beth Ellerby (5 дней назад)
I assumed it was flipped so that if people were to try to kill themself following the show they may be fooled into thinking that gunshots would be less effective and not try that, thereby potentially saving them?
Molly Lankford (5 дней назад)
In response to the retrograde amnesia caused by brain damage: I was in an accident and lost most of my frontal lobe (pretty much what Phineas Gage lost) and I cannot remember the week leading up to the accident. So it's definitely not impossible. Not probable, but not impossible.
cupcakequeen 17 (7 дней назад)
Maybe the reason they switched it was incase someone was going to attempt suicide and they would try the thing that actually worked in the show instead of the attempt that didn't.
Julie (7 дней назад)
That Dashlane thing is going to end up on Black Miror
JamesG10100 (8 дней назад)
I love your segways to your sponsors! Seamless... and priceless.
syncpan77 (9 дней назад)
There will be instances in my life where I forget things that I have know on a daily basis like ATM pin #, locker combination, phone numbers, even my own home location. It's scary and I believe I'm losing my mind slowly and fear I will be totally gone sometime in the future.
Anthony PC (9 дней назад)
2:16 wait. what actually was causing that ?
Jocelyn Leonet (10 дней назад)
Sorry if i seem picky or whatever but even if i'm actually a fan of your channel, something really hurted me in this video.Why would you use a film that's objectively awfull to relate to anterograde amnesia when there is actually a f***ing masterpiece dealing with this subject? take a look at "Memento". By the way, as you already noticed i'm not a native english speaker so pardon me for any barbaric use of your language and keep up with your amazing work on this channel.
The Addict Of Gaming (11 дней назад)
Memento is the best amnesia movie.
Pee Bay (11 дней назад)
Vinyl doesn't sound better. The "warmth" is a distortion. Digital is far superior for a multitude of reasons. Nostalgia for something is okay, just don't let it blind you to better tech. I like playing my NES and SNES, I acknowledge they are old tech and vastly outdated compared to the current stuff we have.
Eugene Lau (11 дней назад)
I think the media flips the success rate to try decrease the number of completed suicides, sort of like how even the most tech-accurate TV shows (e.g Mr Robot) do not put the exact name of hacking tools to prevent people from copying.
alexis Hoade (12 дней назад)
Some people also self harm because it causes a sort of serotonin/adrenaline high.
bugalaman (12 дней назад)
What's wrong with calling it a PNS? Everyone has one.
Devine Organ (12 дней назад)
these early Youtube references are forcibly sending me back in time and I don't know how to feel about that
John the Savage (12 дней назад)
While I can agree that ferric-oxide cassette tapes generally sound worse than other audio sources, metal tapes have a superior quality to vinyl and often sound nearly as good as the master to a higher degree than you can get off of even most CDs. Of course, in that shitty show they are listening to shitty tapes. Probably for "aesthetic" or some such nonesense.
Fenix Minerva (13 дней назад)
What about the Courier from Fallout: New Vegas? He/She/It got shot in the head.
Stirrcrazy N (14 дней назад)
I thought epinephrine sped up your perception of time, if you can process info faster then you have more time to react. Not the other way around. Or is it that you see the world slower because you process it faster?
Raqueesha Reneé (14 дней назад)
“along with minecraft, skye also does...” 💀💀💀💀💀
Leyla Nasib (14 дней назад)
I never watched the show, but I enjoyed the book. I do agree that the show has serious flaws based on what I've heard about the show.
Leyla Nasib (14 дней назад)
From what I can tell, the book is a LOT less... intense than the show.
R3lay (15 дней назад)
You win my personal award for the best transition to an ad
Cayleen Bonneville (16 дней назад)
The worst part is they changed Hannah Bakers suicide to be more graphic. When you are promoting suicide awareness through a media they say on the National prevention sight not to show graphic suicide or glamorize it or make characters use it as a weapon against people. Like wtf
Alex Young (16 дней назад)
13 reasons why:A show that depicts mental health so bad that is insulting to most people with mental health.But yet,it is pretty popular. BoJack Horseman:A show that depicts mental health so accurate that people with mental health,like me can relate to the chatacters.But yet,doesn't get talked about that much and is underrated What has this world come to
Random Person (16 дней назад)
A lot of people are taking what he said about attention seeking wrong. For one, he never said it was the only reason people self-harm. Just one of 3 possible reasons. Keep in mind that the "reasons" he talks about here are very vague, mostly having to do with types of reinforcement. Obviously, "attention-seeking" has a negative connotation. When you say someone self-harmed because they were attention seeking, it implies that they weren't really depressed, that they only wanted the attention. However, this isn't really the case. Whereas some people self-harm to temporarily take the mental pain away with physical pain, "attention-seekers" are hoping for the relief that comes after the self-harm, i.e. love, care, and mental treatment. It could be that someone self-harms once for other reasons, but the care they receive serves as positive reinforcement, so that the next time they are feeling really bad, their brain thinks "hey that worked last time let's do it again". It's less of a "this is my evil plan" and more of a call for help. In the end, both positive and negative reinforcement are very basic and subconscious reasons for doing things, and someone could easily be doing it for positive reinforcement and not even realize it. I hope this helps people understand what he was trying to say. It seems like a lot of people simply heard him say attention seeking and immediately got offended, without even listening to what he was saying.
Ein_gefälschte_Deutscher (16 дней назад)
Holy shit I'm on a trend of watching serious deep evaluations of things, just came over here fro TheRightOpinion channel, but I can't ignore the fact that you made a goddamned Skydoesmincraft reference I applaud you sir.
Ein_gefälschte_Deutscher (16 дней назад)
Holy shit I'm on a trend of watching serious deep evaluations of things, just came over here fro TheRightOpinion channel, but I can't ignore the fact that you made a goddamned Skydoesmincraft reference I applaud you sir.
Bedinsis (16 дней назад)
Okay, uh, I might have an idea(possibly even the idea you alluded to in the video) of why bath tub cutting was depicted as effective for suicide and gunshots to the head was not when in real life it is the other way around. I don't know if it is a good reason though: If someone suicidal watches the show they might get the idea that bath tub cutting is the way to do it, and therefore be more likely to fail with the task. Thus they are more likely to survive.
Gus K. (16 дней назад)
The airforce guy could be a recruiter.
Gus K. (16 дней назад)
I agree with every other point but just pointing that out
anticat900 (16 дней назад)
Good as ever, you are indeed quite a wise, but a stat like a 65% increase in suicide, is a bad stat on its own. Most aren't considering suicide even if a friends dies. So what level of suicide is not considering suicide numerically? 0.5% suicidal 0.01% 0.0000001%?
nonedescriptivepresence. (16 дней назад)
Hold up. Someone self harms and then they are showered with love and attention? Not often. Self harm is still seen as a ridiculous, attention seeking of an action. Most families and friends alike are often not mentally or emotionally equipped to deal with this, so they ridiculize and shame whoever is doing it. Most people who hurt themselves do it in places of their body that are less visible, therefore keeping it hidden from everyone else. While attention seeking cutters and self harmers exist, most people do it hide it out of shame, which is often reinforced when those around them find out.
Page :3 (16 дней назад)
"along with Minecraft Sky does non suicidal self injury" SkyDoesMinecraft
carschmn (17 дней назад)
I actually thought it was a very accurate description of high school. I was an outsider and was treated like crap. I think part of the criticism of the show comes from people being forced to see how kids treat each other. Season 2 was totally unnecessary. And cassettes are totally hip now, just in time for me to have a car without one.
Magnus Andres Lescano (17 дней назад)
So, you didn't really make your point, at minute 12:55 I was still waiting for the reasons this is a bad show.... You can't diagnose someone with anything by watching a video, schizophrenia is not the only illness with hallucinations, and hallucinations not necessarily are evil or scary, most actually are rather simple and day to day stuff, there's even "good" ones like seeing friends and pets that don't exist. Also, he has been on therapy and medication and while they sometimes help disappear the hallucinations some times they only lower them down and with therapy you can get to separate reality and your mind's creations. Another thing, self harm is not necessarily a call for attention or help, most self harmers actually hide them so nobody sees them, or self harm in ways that don't leave a scar, ALSO, some may not experience pain cause is such a crisis that they can't feel pain so they're not seeking release with pain just the action. Finally, a trauma or shock can cause selective amnesia, which would explain why the kid doesn't remember some parts of his life and specifically the moment of his death. Your problem with the shot not been accurate is more a plot hole than an issue with the show's mental health information... And you can actually survive a gunshot to the head, if you don't really hit your head which should have been the way to go there, he aimed, he tried to pull the trigger but he was scared, he is young and doesn't have the way to pull with one hand, the position is odd, so when you pull the trigger the gun is moved upwards so it only scratches part/side of your head....
cual quiera (17 дней назад)
well the producer is selena gomez who was never in a high school so
humankinda (17 дней назад)
Glad I never bothered with this show. I hate the "want to start a conversation" bullshit. No, you wanted to do something edgy and offensive and thought you could convince people that you're actually being smart and caring when it's clearly the opposite.
Emerald Archer (18 дней назад)
What I find especially sad is that another show called Legion does a way better job portraying mental disorders(notably schizophrenia) and it’s source material is a series of Marvel X-Men comics. It’s not even an important plot point for most of the two seasons so far, but when it does bring it up, it’s with accuracy and respect. It’s the most notable in the first episode. The main character David, has been in a mental hospital for a long time. There’s constant hallucinogenic flashes(mostly scary). There’s constant auditory hallucinations, such as voices whispering throughout the episode. Later in the show he appears to have delusions on the nature of his relationships and his moral compass. Throughout the show, the main actor also does an excellent job on making David constantly looking confused and distracted, something that would probably be true of many schizophrenics judging by the symptoms. Also it fits in the narrative in an interesting way, as it really reflects the nature of his powers.
Ross Parlette (18 дней назад)
That shall not be named.
Turquoise Snowflake (18 дней назад)
Also, the school seems more concerned with stopping any copycat suicides than the actual show.
Turquoise Snowflake (18 дней назад)
THERES GOING TO BE A SEASON 3? SHE BETTER BE COMING BACK TO LIFE
troy Jefferson (18 дней назад)
I found it alarming that the writers, producers and directors thought it was a good idea that the kids not call the police when they found out about an active shooter situation. Especially after the school shootings that have taken place within the last year or two in the U.S. Don't confront the shooter. Lock the damn doors and call the police!
marlin gates (18 дней назад)
I didn't like it though to be fair I was one those people who wouldn't have liked it anyway because even though now I have gone through some level of depression and suicidal thoughts. I found it hard to like main character maybe because in my case I blamed myself more than anything. It kinda comes off hannah comes off as a revengeful
heart.still.beating (19 дней назад)
9:46 Self-harm is not done for attention, at all. Most people do not try to show others their self harm scars or wounds (as it can vary from cuts to burns to scratches, etc). Most people try to hide it.
Octa (19 дней назад)
Thank you for doing this. I read the original book as a child and it really did make me think about suicide in a more romantic way. This book is actually the only one I can't get myself to reread because it just makes me fucking angry, knowing I read this year prior and thought it was cute.
Crimson Prose (19 дней назад)
First: When I had hallucinations, it was usually a monster/demon standing behind me in the corner of my eye, then never being there when I turned to look. I got some auditory ones, but they weren't like on TV. They were often random strings of words, like standing in a crowded room full of people talking nonsense. Occasionally I'd get a voice demeaning me in the same way certain family members did during childhood. However, your belief that you can't know a hallucination isn't real is inaccurate. I never believed my hallucinations were real since it was a demon chasing me, and by the time I got that symptom I no longer believed in demons. That did surprisingly little good because my emotions still reacted to the stimuli. While knowing it wasn't real kept me from running into traffic or out windows, experiencing it still made it impossible to concentrate or function normally. I couldn't be comfortable without my back to a wall where I could see the entire room, and walking outside or driving where I couldn't do that was horrifying. I was professionally diagnosed as schizoaffective (schizophrenia + mood disorder) even though I was fully aware that none of my delusions were real. Aside from that, there are ways to intentionally induce hallucinations through meditative techniques, which can actually treat other hallucinations. I eliminated my demonic hallucinations by creating an imaginary guardian to 'chase it away'. It worked so well that I no longer need the medication I took for five years. The meds made it tolerable enough for me to show up to work every day, but now I've eliminated the distracting emotional bursts entirely. Even outside of the realm of disorders, there's lucid dreaming, where you can learn to recognize that you're dreaming when you're dreaming. The bottom line is that seeing isn't always believing. Second: Yes, teen dramas in general are annoying and inaccurate.
ZeeZii Charles (20 дней назад)
Thank you for this video it awesome! However, I have to correct you with the Borderline Personality Disorder being mixed with Bipolar. They are both similar but not the same; while the mood swing happen in both, BPD mood swings happens quicker and change a lot quicker. Bipolar "highs" can go on for days and then they'll get "low" for days but, for BPD those "highs" and "lows" can happen in minutes/hours. I would say more but, I can see this video is kinda old and someone could've said this already so I'll shut up.
THE MARYANA TALKSHOW (20 дней назад)
The way you slipped in the sponsor at the end was so smooth ngl
Balsey Dean De Witt, Jr. (20 дней назад)
They have NO Clue on High School Bud! The writers were raised in India! Now you got me wanting to watch this show.
Glaciated Luxray (22 дня назад)
Along with Minecraft, sky also does...😂
Tejas Kalyan (23 дня назад)
Vinyl doesn't sound better. Fact.
LuigiPRO764 TEAM Shantae Man (24 дня назад)
I recommend you go watch Technology Connections on cassette tape, In the reality that we all live in, cassette for music playback is equally as good in terms of sound when stacked up against Compact Disc and Vinyl, it's not the format to top all formats but it isn't as bad as you make it out to be from what I see.
YourLover (24 дня назад)
Always loved to see this Man's videos!
Lane Brown (24 дня назад)
This is good stuff! Although some of the information is a little incomplete, as others have noted, I think most people know to expect that from a twenty minute vlog. With fewer resources, less time and a whole lot to cover, it certainly does a better job pointing viewers in the right direction than the Netflix show did. So now that I've praised you, I want to soapbox for a bit about something personally important. There's a third reason for self-injury; catharsis. You touched on elements of it when discussing the other two reasons, but still treated it as an element of the other two, rather than a cause in its own right. I have met a lot of people who worked hard to recover from self injury, and for most of them, catharsis was the primary reason. It had nothing to do with self-punishing or attention seeking. I think catharsis is under discussed by educators and professionals because it's hard to describe in a way that sounds objective and clinical. But that shouldn't be a reason not to discuss it. We can all understand watching a sad movie after a breakup. It's good to play out a negative feeling in a controlled environment. For a person in emotional pain that they are afraid to talk about, a physical wound becomes a way of turning that invisible, uncontrolled pain into something they can see, and tend to. Unfortunately, when people don't understand catharsis and keep looking for other explanations, the process of seeking help becomes painful for those who have already begun to self-injure. They especially don't like the accusations of "attention seeking" when they are actually very private about their pain and had to struggle a lot to talk about it in the first place. So they continue to conceal the underlying problem and self-injure as a coping mechanism. The longer this cycle goes on, it can become something that many self-injurious people describe as addictive; a habit that's physically hard to break even once therapy has begun. That's why I wanted to hop on my soapbox with an absurdly long comment; I've known too many people damaged by misconceptions about self-injury. Catharsis really needs to be understood as a primary reason for self-injury, not just a side effect of the other two. And I'm sure my long-winded Youtube comment will go a long way towards that... (rolls eyes at self) Again, thanks for your hard work on this difficult topic!
Wilfred Morin (24 дня назад)
I want to die but I don't want to be put in a Francophone only environment with is the same as solitary confinement at Francophone only hospital. In Montréal they only send anglophones to French only hospitals! I am afraid to try again, if I fail again, I would be put in a francophone environment which is worse than my chronic clinical depression since 1987. There is no mental heal help in the gay village that isn't french!!!! English speaking homosexuals have mental problems too!!! Are you listening RAMQ & CLSC?
big airports (25 дней назад)
8:26 HOLY SHIT I WAS NOT READY FOR THAT JOKE AHAHAHA
ZhoRZh37 (25 дней назад)
Something in this video made me subscribe
Josiah Benjermin Thomas (26 дней назад)
Loved, loved, loved this! Great take on the show. I’m not a fan of it. In fact, I hated it! I feel like it did a terrible job “starting the conversation.” You did great. Also, great Segway to you sponsor. lol
BernieGzz (26 дней назад)
Cutting normally doesnt look like those lines aswell. I've seen a few friends and their cuts are very sporadic and small, but there are many done at once. Its an exaggeration to what people actually do. Side Note: They already stopped but they were doing it because of problems at home, causing depression
Varalorne (26 дней назад)
I've always thought that Clay isn't exactly hallucinating but rather having a conversation with Hannah in his own head. Every time he experiences self-doubt or feels like giving up on finding out what really happened his self-consciousness rises up to keep him on track with his social justice crusade. This self-consciousness manifests itself as Hannah since she is the central part of it all and she is the very reason he embarked on his little journey of social justice. The way the show depicts this inner struggle of his is by having him have literal conversations with her. But notice how every time he does have conversations with her he always -knows- she is dead even though she is sort of appearing in the flesh before him. A hallucinating person would very likely think she's actually alive,a key difference(you kind of point it out yourself that he's fully aware she isn't real but go with the hallucination theory anyway). I think that's the obvious hint that what he's doing is just having a very intense struggle -inside- but the only way for a film to express that is to make it seem like an actual conversation between him and Hannah. Another reason why I am convinced this is the case is because it partly reflects my own experiences. Whenever I'm deep in my own thoughts, disconnected from the rest of the world, I tend to mumble(or in rarer cases blurt out something for no apparent reason) because I am dwelling in thoughts that give rise to strong emotions which are more commonly caused by unpleasant memories or unpleasant thoughts in general, like hypothetical situations that I'd not want to be involved in at all. Having conversations in your own head in this context does not seem all that far-fetched to me then, and the movie just chooses to depict it. I think Clay's just having some weird PTSD moments where images of Hannah flash through his head(particularly when he sees her in public and people get confused about his behavior) but they're so strong it affects his behavior and makes it seem like he's depersonalizing or hallucinating. In fact the show does make it seem like he's hallucinating at first so my view isnt necessarily flawless but its more 'realistic' as opposed to going with the whole hallucination theory because that absolutely makes no sense. I think you forgot to mention(or at the very least emphasize enough) that auditory and visual hallucinations are the rarest afaik, and you also did not draw a line between illusion and hallucination, which might be important. An illusion occurs when what you perceive is actually there but you mis-perceive it as something else. For example the scene where Clay mistakes his goth gf for Hannah for just a moment would probably be classified as an illusion, not a hallucination. There is clearly a person there but he mistook her for another person because of some conflict in his mind. Another good example of an illusion is seeing a hanging coat in the dark and mistaking it for a person. A hallucination has no basis in reality though, it is completely inside your head.
first last (26 дней назад)
This isn't at all covered but so you know, beware of "treatment centers" AKA asylums, alot of abuse happens there, they can be more prison than anything else with no "treatment" happening. Sure, it was even worse when they were formally known as asylums, but there is still lots of nasty shit happening in most of those places and victims have no recourse since no one believes someone who's been declared crazy, especially when the accusation is against the whole place and not just one person. If one wants details they need to respond and I can give more. But not even knowing if this will be read by many, much-less taken seriously I won't put in the time and emotional and mental energies giving details without a request.
Sam T (27 дней назад)
*INCOMING RANT WARNING!* they wanted to start a conversation about mental illness? fun fact! You dont have to be mentally ill to commit suicide! Hanna Baker was an over sensitive Narcissist who had some very minor experiences in the beginning and 2 major incidents in 1 night, she didnt kill herself to escape anything or cuz ppl would be better off without her or for any other reason other than She wanted to Hurt and Expose those who wronged her, and killing herself was the only way for her to amplify the severity of the wrongs committed against her enough to be overblown and have this much of an impact on everyone. If she hadnt killed herself and made these tapes and told a parent, legit only the rape would have been taken seriously and everything else chalked up to highschool drama and a girl over reacting to everything. Hanna Baker killed her self out of self righteous vindictive revenge plot and nothing more. this show does the exact opposite of what anyone would want it to do, it makes killing yourself look bad ass when in reality its the most Narcissistic, Selfish thing a person could do. Take the easy way out and pass all the problems they were going thru and passing it on to those who loved and cared for them most.
Jess J (27 дней назад)
Technically, they did start this conversation.
Alejandro Gutierrez Fiol (27 дней назад)
"Peripheral Nervous System and is never abbreviated" PNS lmao
electron1979 (27 дней назад)
The one thing I liked about magnetic media was that even if the was a bad/corrupted section, it would keep playing till the end. Optical media just stops. Tapes didn't skip either. Don't get me wrong, it's just one small advantage.
J'adore Alles (27 дней назад)
Nice plug
Skraband (28 дней назад)
Why oh why jumpscares XD
Kaycie Jones (28 дней назад)
"This show doesn't do mental health justice!" *Uses video about bashing a show about mental health to shamelessly promote a sponsor, therein by making money off mental health issues.* Oh yes, you are the moral arrow all should follow. Like dude, I get the sponsor mention at the start. But that shift from suicide by head shot wound to your crappy sponsor is disgusting. I feel like you only attacked this show in particular to gain views, and make more money, just based off of that. Your own lacking knowledge on mental health problems aside, as you clearly stuck to whatever base definition the internet gave you in a blatant attempt of cashing in on someone else's popularity, that tie-in commercial invalidates your entire video. Here's some good advice: DON'T TAKE THE HIGH ROAD IF YOU LIVE ON THE LOW ROAD.
Fitz (24 дня назад)
Kaycie Jones nobody is taking the high road
John Cole (29 дней назад)
Hello There, If you’re reading this then: Kys
Jacob Staten (29 дней назад)
Hollywood is extremely left wing, so I would think if there's any concious effort to depict suicide by slashing vs firearm s one way or another, it's an attempt to depict them as uneffective so people are less likely to try it. Most failed gun suicides that don't cause major damage (the person flinches or has a split second of hesitation) wouldn't cause much physical harm outside of hearing loss and would likely go unreported.
Samantha Bond (30 дней назад)
I remember when my mom made me watch the pilot, it was just one of those things that shook me to the core.
Daniel (1 месяц назад)
Thinking the we are in a simulation, is a valid scientific hypothesis, not a delusion. There's is no way to prove either way.
she• wolf (1 месяц назад)
I went through the comments but I hadn't found anything about Clay's medicine so I wanted to write this. I believe that what Clay is looking at (3:40) is Duloxetine, it's a drug that inhibits the reuptake of serotonin and norepinephrine in the central nervous system, also known as SNRIs. Some of the indications for it's usage are depressive disorders, generalized anxiety disorder, fibromyalgia, peripheral neuropathy (mostly diabetic)... Clay was not schizophrenic. Depressed - probably. I just thought I should at least mention it in case anyone's interested.
FireBirdTheEpic (1 месяц назад)
The book is actually a lot better
Gregory Ludwig (1 месяц назад)
crank it up to 11? why not just make 10 the highest? lmao
blub (1 месяц назад)
is no one gonna bash the book itself or just pretend like it's just a movie?
WoW Guidery (1 месяц назад)
Your face doesn't match your voice.
Joanna d'Arc (1 месяц назад)
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Cody McBrody (1 месяц назад)
dat ad transition
Brian Arbenz (1 месяц назад)
I have not watched this show, but a for-profit show in today’s billion dollar corporate media ownership era CANNOT discuss teen mental health issues sincerely or helpfully. Entertainment is entertainment, and medicine is medicine. Turn to appropriate sources for understanding of mental health troubles. And these disorders are NOT your identity or a cultural phenomenon. They are problems that no person is somehow destined or meant to have.
Brian Arbenz (1 месяц назад)
Great job of being crass, Mr. Know Better, with your excuse for a d-lane commercial. Yeeech! 😟
Ariella Lima (1 месяц назад)
Loved the explanation about reinforcement!
Skyler Sroka (1 месяц назад)
I don’t think he has schizophrenia. He has a serious serious reaction to Hannah’s death. He has extreme grief and clearly just has bouts of psychosis. You don’t need to be schizophrenic to have psychosis. Also skye 100% has borderline, not bipolar.
TheEudaemonicPlague (1 месяц назад)
Overall, quite good. However, I'd like to point out that you have an incomplete understanding of bipolar disorder. Mania isn't just feeling really up, what you describe is euphoric mania, which, sadly, occurs much less often than dysphoric mania...which is, in many ways, worse than the depressive phase. This is what I live with, I'm not just pulling this out of my ass. Anyway, this is the second of your videos that I've watched, and I'm happy to have subscribed.
Volt 56 the second time (1 месяц назад)
Minecraft rules
BlueCrystal004 (1 месяц назад)
8:25 Dude this might be one of the best jokes of our time
Daniel Jenkins (1 месяц назад)
i literally just took and exam on all this
Evil LOON (1 месяц назад)
As always, I love your videos. Could you do a video about the taboo of mental issues? I have been diagnosed with a more extreme form of PTSD. I would like to write a narrative, but I know youtube comments are not the areas to do that. I'll keep it as short as possible. I worked a dangerous job. I was hit by cars on more than 9 occasions and saw a lot of friends killed. Because of that, I now deal with fear, anger, hallucinations, and alcoholism. If you would like a more in-depth explanation, feel free to message me. I am tired of the stigma that surrounds mental health. I want to talk to people about it, but they get scared when I do.

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