From my 1st Patreon Q&A.
A Patron asked: "What is your advice for finding a sane, sound therapist?"
"Does a fruitful psychotherapeutic relationship require the therapist to
have temperamental compatibility or shared interests with the patient?"
"Was there ever a time when you saw a therapist of some kind?"
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Would it work if we created a personality test that therapists and psychologists would take and post on a providers website. Then someone seeking to be a patient would take a different personality test, after taking the test the patient would be given results of therapists and psychologists that would best fit with each other’s personality.
Setting parameters for what a good match would be, would be a start, I have no idea, I’m a doctor 👨🏻⚕️ not a doctor.....🤔
3:02 What do you mean by "less intelligent"? What if people with very high intelligence need a psychotherapy? Does that mean that people with very high intelligence can solve almost all of possible psychological problems without any help of a psychotherapist?
While that advice makes sense, it isn't particularly comforting to me with an IQ 3 SDs above the mean. None of those find-a-provider websites have a filter for IQ>130 assuming I want one within 1 SD, and if I go with his advice that it isn't great to be outthinking your therapist then I imagine it has to be pretty tough to find one with an IQ >145...
Yutaka Ozaki Everyone here beeds help. High intelligebt or not.
I guess what Dr. Peterson means is...sometimes the therapist has less knowledge than you, or you feel a difference in intelligence (it is possible that he/she doesn't understand and get you as it is possible for you to be wiser than them yet still need help, in a non pretentious way ofc) both of you are on different wave-lengths
So it is better to leave them and search for another one.
I hope i'm not making any mistakes here :)
On a personal note, I've went to two therapists who seemed to just ''not get me''
They knew a few notions in psychology here and there and that's it. They didn't go any further from what they learned.
I don't like talking about my problems either. I get enough help here and end up dealing with things I thought were problems, but were mere pathology. Avid reader as well and that has kept me sane and aiming high.
I love Dr Peterson, but as a psychotherapist with a master's degree, I must say his answers to this question troubles me. I've worked with many Ph.Ds and honestly it really doesn't make someone a more empathic,astute or effective therapist. It really depends on what you are looking for and your own personality style is. Research shows that what matters most is the relationship you have with the therapist - it's the trust developed and consistence in being witnessed that has profound impacts on people. Also, traditionally therapists were trained by going through their own therapy. I understand it's hard for JFP to talk to people and he has found more suitable means to analyze himself.
If I was to look for a therapist I'd find one who is looking to increase my strength and has strong ethics around keeping their opinions on the back burner. A therapist doesn't need to be a genius, they do need to have extraordinary listening skills and curiosity, and the capacity to note what they are hearing (with out too much editorializing).
If anyone wants to visit my channel, tiny, I have some podcasts and talk about therapeutic type stuff, philosophy, love and all that stuff. I'm a huge fan of Dr. Peterson, but his opinion of therapists does reveal to me his sometimes rigid appraisal style, which in this instance reflects negatively on me and my kind lol. Honestly, I know how hard it is to find a decent therapist - it sort of is impossible once you begin to have a strong and authentic grip on your own authority.
sue sue... i agree with you from the patient side... if I think I'm smarter than my therapist (as in, outclassing him/her) then I don't know what that person can do for me... loss of trust. As for the PhD bit... sanctioning is always shorthand for competence but it only goes so far... sanctioning provides an easy filter but possibly one that will filter out viable options. As a patient its hard to tell from orbit.
I don't want someone to build rapport with me or empathize with me. I want them to fix my problems and tell me the truth. I've seen a therapist who has a MSW and she made things far worse. All she did was baby me and tell me I'm better than I really am. Then when I brought up research that I read to support my case, she showed a clear political bias.
Basically, she told me to drop out of college and smoke weed. Without testing me, she automatically assumed my IQ to be something like 115, and ergo 'not fit' for my college majors and class load (I've been in a gifted program my entire life). This made me feel even worse than I thought I was.
Recently I took a Mensa admissions test, and it turned out that my IQ is 2 standard deviations higher than she said it was. She encouraged my to drop out of classes, so I did. It made me a thousand times worse. I genuinely hope she gets run over by a truck, because she basically ruined my life. I was about 2 years ahead of my peers before I started going to her. Had I not gone to her, I would at least perhaps be at the same level as the rest of my age group.
I don't want a shitty therapist or another MSW pseudopsychologist; I don't want someone to build rapport with me; I don't want someone to empathize with me, pity me, or baby me--I want someone who knows what the hell they're doing and helps me fix the problems which I present to them.
Hell, I'd be a much better therapist than that moron.
I think the most difficult thing aside from finding an individual who is optimally balanced in all four functions of consciousness obviously, is perhaps finding a soul who genuinely does not wish to impose their opinions and beliefs onto you. Perhaps what I've been really wanting or missing, is not actually a good therapist, but a good lover, an authentic friend.
I am a christian with a relationship with the Holy Spirit of Christ. I am repenting of my sins under His leading. I am against therapy on principle. for a non religious gloss on this idea i recommend Jeffrey Masson's book AGAINST THERAPY
Strefanasha Wow. I just read a couple of interviews with Dr. Masson from 1983, after reading your post. I completely agree with the both of you. What I find disturbing, is the lack of critical thinking in this area. I fired my therapist in January 2017. I repeatedly kept bringing up the topic of the "therapeutic" relationship and how harmful it really was. I equated it to seeing a prostitute, except there's the guarantee of a happy ending ;). Equally disturbing, is the blackout on the topic, in an internet search. It usually populates with posts of having inappropriate feelings for your therapist, which is just insulting.
Anyway, thanks for enlightening me and pointing to this free-thinker. It's nice to know (finally) that others have discovered and eloquently spoken and written about the case against therapy.
I (can't get enough of me) was fortunate enough in my youth (20 something, not much older now, 40) to have had met a Dr. Ranjit Sinha who was head over Central State of Ga mental homes at one point. He was able to prescribe subutex, suboxone, etc. and I was terribly addicted at the time, but what stood out to me (now I know he was at the end of his career) was the first question he asked (which may not be uncommon, but no one ever asked) that goes as such " What do you want to be?" And bam! It hit me. I told him I wanted to be like him. Now, I know that me being like him was like ice being fire but that made the difference, because you just can't be something you're not. Finding who you are is a process. And the more complicated the background the longer it takes. And you cannot change what doesn't want to change. The want is the most elusive thing there is. From what I've seen, anyway.
Dear Jordan's family/unpaid laborers,
I think 10 seconds is too short for the end screen links. Most people will not have realized the video has ended in that time and still be able to read everything linked. I'm sure a lot of people just listen to Dr. Peterson's lectures instead of watching the video. Go ahead and use the full 20 seconds that youtube allows.
Thanks for the upload!
It is better for the video to be made ideal to interact with and absorb instead of inconveniencing your entire audience by forcing each individual to use the controls. He said he was experimenting with ways to make a better product, and this is one way to do it. This is a quick win, so there is no reason not to take advantage of it.
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